We Must Take America Back

topic posted Wed, September 28, 2005 - 12:42 PM by  @leksonder
We Must Take America Back
By Robert F. Kennedy, Jr.
Saturday 17 September 2005

I want to tell you how proud I am to accept the William O. Douglas
Award.

Two of my most poignant memories as a child involved Justice Douglas.
One of them was when I was 11 years old I did a 20 mile hike with my little brother David and with Justice Douglas and my father, which was a bird watching hike on the C & O Canal which he played a critical role in
protecting. We started at four o’clock in the morning and walked all day.
Then I did a 10 day pack trip with him. He took my whole family up to
Olympic Range and the San Juan Peninsula and went camping for almost two weeks when I was eight years old.

Justice Douglas had a very strong relationship with my family. My
grandfather brought Justice Douglas into public life and gave him his first
job at the SEC as his deputy and then got Franklin Roosevelt to appoint him to run the SEC and played a critical role in getting him appointed as a
justice of the Supreme Court. He said that his relationship to my
grandfather was a father son relationship. When my father was 18 years old Justice Douglas took him for a walking tour of Azerbaijan and Kazakhstan, all the Asian Soviet Republics. They were the first Westerners to enter Soviet Asia after the 1917 revolution and they had an extraordinary trip and Justice Douglas wrote a book about it.

He had a very, very close relationship with my family and as an attorney the case that was the most important case, he was our greatest
environmental jurist and the most important case was Sierra Club vs. Morton where he actually said that he believed the trees should have standing to sue [applause]. And there is nobody in American history than I more admire than him. What he understood which is what I think more and more people are understanding is that protecting the environment is not about protecting the fishes and the birds for their own sake but it’s about recognizing that nature is the infrastructure of our communities and that if we want to meet our obligation as a generation, as a civilization, as a nation which is to create communities for our children that provide them with the same opportunities for dignity and enrichment and good health.

As the communities that our parents gave us, we’ve got to start by
protecting our environmental infrastructure, the air we breathe, the water
we drink, the public lands, the fisheries, the wildlife, the public areas
that connect us to our past, that connect us to our history, that provide
context to our communities that are the source ultimately of our values and virtues and character as a people. Over the past 22 years as an
environmental advocate, I’ve been disciplined about being non-partisan and bipartisan in my approach to these issues. I don’t think there is any such thing as Republican children or Democratic children.

I think the worst thing that could happen to the environment is it becomes
the province of a single political party. It was mentioned that I have a
book out there that is very critical of this president and that’s true but
it’s not a partisan book. I didn’t write that book because I’m a Democrat
and he’s a Republican. If he were a Democrat, I would have written the same book. I’m not objecting to him because of his political party and I’ve
worked for Republicans if they’re good on the environment and democrats on the same level but you can’t talk honestly about the environment in any context today without speaking critically of this president. This is the
worst [applause].

This is the worst environmental president we’ve had in American
history.

If you look at NRDC’s website you’ll see over 400 major environmental
roll backs that are listed there that have been implemented or proposed by this administration over the past four years as part of a deliberate
concerted effort to eviscerate 30 years of environmental law. It’s a stealth attack.

The White House has used all kinds of ingenious machinations to try to
conceal its radical agenda from the American people including Orwellian
rhetoric. When they want to destroy the forests, they call it the Healthy
Forest Act. When they wanted to destroy the air, they called it the Clear
Skies Bill.

But most insidiously, they have put polluters in charge of virtually
all the agencies that are supposed to protect Americans from pollution.

President Bush appointed as head of the Forest Service a timber
industry lobbyist, Mark Rey, probably the most rapacious in history. He put in charge of public lands a mining industry lobbyist, Steven Griles, who believes that public lands are unconstitutional. He put in charge of the
air division of the EPA, Jeffrey Holmstead, a utility lobbyist who has
represented nothing but the worst air polluters in America. As head of
Superfund, a woman whose last job was teaching corporate polluters how to evade Superfund. The second in command of EPA is a Monsanto lobbyist.

The New York Times reported a couple of weeks ago we all read that as second in command of CEQ which is in the White House directly advising the president of environmental policy, he put a lobbyist of the American Petroleum Institute whose only job was to read all of the science from all the different federal agencies to make sure they didn’t say anything critical, to excise any critical statements about the oil industry.

He was there to lie to the American public, to protect one of the big
corporate contributors to this White House. This is true throughout all of
the agencies that are supposed to protect Americans from pollution, the
Department of Energy, the Department of Agriculture, the Department of
Commerce which regulates fisheries, the Department of the Interior, EPA of course, and the relevant divisions of the Justice Department. The same
thing, all these agencies and sub secretariats, it is the polluters who are
now running these agencies.

There is nothing wrong with having business people in government. It’s
a good thing if you’re objective is to recruit competence and expertise but
in all of these cases these individuals as I show in my book, have entered
government service not to benefit the public interest but rather to subvert
the very laws they’re now charged with enforcing in order to enrich the
president’s corporate pay masters.

They have imposed enormous diminution in quality of life in this
country.

The problem is most Americans don’t know about it, they don’t see the
connection and the reason for that is because we have a negligent and
indolent media and press in this country which has absolutely let down
American democracy [applause].

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  • Re: We Must Take America Back

    Wed, September 28, 2005 - 12:44 PM
    ..All this right wing propaganda which is planned and organized and
    dominated this country, the political debate for so many years talking
    about a liberal media. Well, you know and I know there is no such thing
    as a liberal media in the United States of America.

    There is a right wing media and if you look where most Americans are
    now getting their news, that’s where they’re getting it. According to Pew
    30 percent of Americans now sway that their primary news source is talk
    radio which is 90 percent dominated by the right.

    22 percent sat their primary news source is Fox News, MSNBC or CNBC, all dominated by the right and another 10 percent, Sinclair Network which is the most right wing of all. That’s the largest television network in our country. It’s run by a former pornographer who requires all 75 of his
    affiliate television stations and this is where Mid-Westerners get their
    news, red state people get their news, all of them have to take a pledge to not report critically about this president or about the war in Iraq.

    Then the rest of us are - the majority of Americans are still getting
    their news from electronic media and it’s the corporate owned media and
    they have no ideology except for filling their pocket books and many of
    them are run by big polluters. All of them are run by giant corporations
    that have all kinds of deals with the government and are not going to
    offend public officials.

    This all started in 1988 when Ronald Reagan abolished the Fairness
    Doctrine. The Fairness Doctrine said that the airwaves belong to the
    public. They were public trust assets just like our air and water and that
    the broadcasters could be licensed to use them but only with the proviso
    that they use them to promote the public interest and to advance American democracy. They had to inform the public of issues of public import. They had to have the news hours. None of those networks wanted to show the news because it’s expensive, they loose money on it. They had to avoid corporate consolidation. They had to have local control and diversity of control. That was the requirement of the law since 1928.

    Today as a result of the abolishment of that doctrine, six giant
    multi-national corporations now control all 14,000 radio stations in our
    country, almost all 6,000 TV stations and 80 percent of our newspapers, all of our billboards and now most of the Internet information services, so you have six guys who are dictating what Americans have as information and what we see as news.

    The news departments have become corporate profit centers, they no
    longer have any obligation to benefit the public interests, their only
    obligation is to their shareholders and they fulfill that obligation by
    increasing viewership. How do you do that? not by reporting the news that
    we need to hear in to make rational decisions in our democracy but rather
    by entertaining us, by appealing to the prurient interests that all of us
    have in the reptilian core of our brain for sex and celebrity gossip
    [applause]. So they give us Laci Peterson and Michael Jackson and Kobe
    Bryant and we’re today the best entertained and the least informed people on the face of the earth and this is a real threat to American democracy.

    If you look at the Pippa Report and I’ve known this for many, many
    years because I do 40 speeches a year in red states Republican audiences and there is no difference. When people hear this message and what this White House is doing and the Gingrich Congress, there is no difference between the way Republicans react and the democrats react except the republicans come up afterwards and say, "Why haven’t we ever heard of this before? I say to them, "It’s because you’re watching Fox News and listening to Rush."

    And 80 percent of Republicans are just Democrats who don’t know what’s going on [applause].

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    • Re: We Must Take America Back

      Wed, September 28, 2005 - 12:52 PM
      I don’t know if any of you saw the Pippa Report which came out after
      the last election but it confirmed everything and this is kind of a
      digression but this whole talk has turned into a digression. The Pippa
      Report was done by the University of Maryland and it showed that there is
      no - you know all these Saturday morning gas bags, the political pundits
      you see on TV talking about the moral difference and the ideological
      difference between red states and blue states.

      There is no difference.

      The only difference is there is a huge informational deficit in the
      red states and I’ve known this for a long time reaction I get people and
      the Pippa Report confirmed that by going and asking people who voted for
      Bush and who voted for Kerry about their knowledge of current events. What they found that of the people that voted for Bush had the same ideology, the same basic values, they were just misinformed. 70 percent said that they believed that Saddam Hussein bombed the World Trade Center, 70 percent believed that weapons of mass destruction had been found in Iraq, 64 percent believed that President Bush strongly supported the Kyoto Protocol and strong labor and environmental standards in our foreign treaties and on and on.

      When Pippa went back and asked them what they believed, there was
      almost no difference between what the Republicans and Democrats believed where America should be headed. The problem was a huge information deficit because the news media in this country is letting down American democracy and democracy cannot survive long without a vigorous news media.

      I’ll give you an example. As I said a gigantic diminution in quality
      of life that has taken place in this country as a direct result of this
      president’s environmental policy that Americans mainly don’t know about.
      I’m just going to focus on one industry which is coal burning power plants.

      I have three sons who have asthma. One out of every four black
      children in America’s cities now has asthma. We know that asthma attacks
      are triggered primary by bad air, by ozone and particulates and we know
      that the principle source of those materials in our atmosphere are 1,100
      coal burning power plants that are burning coal illegally. It’s been
      illegal for 17 years. President Clinton’s administration was prosecuting
      the worst 75 of those plants but that’s an industry that donated $48 million to this president during the 2000 cycle and have given $58 million since.

      One of the first things that Bush did when he came into office was to
      order the Justice Department and EPA to drop all those lawsuits. The top
      three enforcers at EPA, Sylvia Lowrance, Bruce Buckheit, Eric Schaeffer,
      all resigned their jobs in protest. These weren’t Democrats, these were
      people who had served through the Reagan and Bush administrations, the
      earlier Bush administration.

      A top Justice Department official said that this had never happened in
      American history before where a presidential candidate accepts money,
      contributions from criminals under indictment or targeted for indictment
      and then orders those indictments and investigations dropped when he
      achieves office.

      Immediately after dropping those lawsuits, the White House went and
      abolished the New Source Rule which was the heart and soul, the central
      provision of the Clean Air Act. That rule is the rule that required those
      plants to clean up 17 years ago and it’s the fundamental compromise that
      allowed the passage of the Clean Air Act.

      If you go to EPA’s website today, you will see that that decision
      alone, that single decision, this is EPA’s website, kills 18,000 Americans
      every single year. Six times the number of people that were killed by the
      World Trade Center attack. This should be on the front page of every
      newspaper in this country every single day and yet you’re not reading about it in the American press.

      A couple of months ago EPA announced that in 19 states it is now
      unsafe to eat any freshwater fish in the state for mercury contamination.
      We know where the mercury is coming from, those same coal burning power plants. In 48 states at least some of the fish are unsafe to eat. In fact, the only two states where all of the fish are still safe to eat are Alaska and Wyoming where republican controlled legislatures have refused to appropriate the money to test the fish. In all of the other states at least some, most or all of the fish are unsafe to eat.

      We know a lot about mercury we didn’t know a few years ago. We know
      for example, that one out of every six, now one out of every three American women have so much mercury in her womb that her children are at risk for a grim inventory of diseases, autism, blindness, mental retardation, heart, liver, kidney disease.

      I have so much mercury in my body, I had my levels tested recently and
      Waterkeeper will test your levels, you can send them a hair sample. Mine
      are about double what the EPA considers safe. I was told by Dr. David
      Carpenter who is the national authority on mercury contamination that a
      woman with my levels of mercury in her blood would have children with
      impairment. I said to him, "You mean she might have" and he said, "No, the science is very certain today. Her children would have some kind of
      permanent brain damage." He estimated an IQ loss in those kids of about
      ve to seven points.

      Well, we have 630,000 children who are born in America every year who
      have been exposed to dangerous levels of mercury in their mother’s wombs.

      President Clinton recognizing the gravity of this national health epidemic
      reclassified mercury as a hazardous pollutant under the Clean Air Act. That triggered the requirement that all of those companies remove 90 percent of the mercury within three and a half years. It would have cost less than one percent of plant revenue, a great deal for the American people. We have the technology, it exists, we already require it in states like Massachusetts.

      But it still meant billions of dollars for that industry and that’s
      the industry that gave $100 million to this president and about 12 weeks
      ago the White House announced that it was abolishing the Clinton era rules and substituting instead rules that were written by utility industry
      lobbyists that will allow those companies to never have to clean up the
      mercury. The rules say in their face that they have to clean up 70 percent
      within 15 years which by itself is outrageous but in fact, the utility
      lawyers who wrote those rules wrote so many loopholes into them that the
      utilities will be able to challenge them probably successfully and
      certainly forever and they will never have to clean up any additional
      mercury.

      We’re living in a science fiction nightmare today in the United States
      of America where my children and the children of millions of Americans who have asthmatic kids are bringing children into a world where the air is too poisonous for them to breathe. Where my children and the children of most Americans can now no longer safely engage in the seminal primal activity of American youth which is to go fishing with their father and mother and to come home and eat the fish because somebody gave money to a politician.

      I live three hours south of the Adirondack Mountains, the oldest
      protected wilderness on the face of the earth. It’s been protected since
      1888. We had a right, the American people, to believe that we would be able to enjoy those pristine landscapes, the forests, the beautiful lakes for
      generations unspoiled.

      But today, one fifth of the lakes in the Adirondacks is now sterilized
      from acid rain which has also destroyed the forest cover on the high peaks of the Appalachian from Georgia all the way up into Northern Quebec and this president has put the brakes on the statutory requirements that those companies, those coal burning power plants clean up the acid rain. As a direct result of that decision, this year for the first time since the passage of the Clean Air Act sulfur dioxide levels went up in our country an astronomical four percent in a single year.

      The person who gave me this t-shirt talked about mountain top mining a
      few minutes ago. A year ago in May, I flew over the coal fields of Kentucky and West Virginia and I saw where the coal is coming from. If the American people could see what I saw, there would be a revolution in this country because we are cutting down the Appalachian Mountains. These historic landscapes where Daniel Boone and Davy Crockett roamed are the source of our values and our culture and we’re cutting them down with these giant machines called drag lines. They’re 22 stories high, they cost half a billion dollars and they practically dispense with the need for human labor and that of course, is the point.

      I remember when my father was fighting strip mining back in the ‘60’s,
      a conversation I had with him at the dinner table where he said they are
      not only destroying the environment but they are permanently impoverishing these communities because there is no way that you can generate an economy from the moonscapes that they leave behind and they’re doing it so that they can break the unions and he was right. In 1968 when he told me that there were 114,000 unionized mine workers taking mines out of tunnels in West Virginia.

      Today there are only 11,000 miners left in the state and almost none
      of them are unionized because the strip industry isn’t. Using these giant
      machines and 25 tons of dynamite that they explode in West Virginia every day, a Hiroshima bomb every week. They are blowing the tops off the mountains and then they take these giant machines and they scrape the rubble and debris into the adjacent river valley.

      Well, it’s all illegal.

      You cannot dump rock and debris and rubble into a waterway in the
      United States of America without a Clean Water Act permit. So Joe Lovitz
      sued them and he won in front of a great crusty old West Virginia judge,
      Judge Charles Hayden who recently died. Charles Hayden said the same thing I said, he said, "It’s all illegal, all of it" and he enjoined all mountain
      top mining.

      Two days from when we got that decision, Peabody Coal and Massey Coal
      who had given millions of dollars to this White House met in the White
      House and the White House rewrote one word of the Clean Water Act. The
      definition of the word fill that changed 30 years of statutory
      interpretation to make it legal today as it is in every state in the United
      States to dump rock, debris, rubble, construction debris, garbage, any kind of solid waste into any water way in this country without a Clean Water Act permit. All you need is a rubber stamp permit from the Corps of Engineers that in many cases you can get through the mail. It has none of the safeguards that the Clean Water Act provides.

      And this is what we’re fighting today, this is not just a battle to save the environment. This is the subversion of our democracy.

      The industry and the great big polluters and their indentured servants
      and our political process have done a great job and their PR firms and
      their faulty [biastitutes] and all these think tanks on Capitol Hill, have
      done a great job over the past couple of decades of marginalizing the
      environmental movement, of marginalizing us as radicals, as tree huggers, as I heard the other day, pagans who worship trees and sacrifice people.

      But there is nothing radical about the idea of clean air and clean water for our children. As I said before, we’re not protecting the environment for the sake of the fishes and the birds and the trees. We’re protecting it for our own sake because it’s the infrastructure of our communities and because it enriches us.

      If you talk to these people on Capitol Hill who are promoting these kind of changes and ask them, "Why are you doing this?" What they invariably say is, "Well, the time has come in our nation’s history where we have to choose now between economic prosperity on the one hand and environmental protection on the other."

      And that is a false choice. In 100 percent of the situations, good
      environmental policy is identical to good economic policy [applause]. If we
      want to measure our economy and this is how we ought to be measuring it, based upon it loses jobs and the dignity of jobs over the generations, over the long term and how it preserves the value of the assets of our
      communities.

      If on the other hand, we want to do what they’ve been urging us to do
      on Capitol Hill which is to treat the planet as if were a business in
      liquidation, convert our natural resource to cash as quickly as possible,
      have a few years of pollution based prosperity, we can generate an
      instantaneous cash flow and the illusion of a prosperous economy but our
      children are going to pay for our joy ride.

      They’re going to pay for it with the muted landscapes, poor health,
      huge clean up costs that are going to amplify over time and that they will
      never, ever be able to pay.

      Environmental injury is deficit spending. It’s a way of loading the
      cost of our generation’s prosperity on to the backs of our children [applause]

      CONTINUED...
      • Re: We Must Take America Back

        Wed, September 28, 2005 - 12:57 PM
        ...One of the things I’ve done over the past seven, eight years, since
        1994, since this whole movement, the anti-environmental movement got a
        foothold, a beach head in Congress, is to constantly go around and confront this argument that an investment in our environment is a diminishment of our nation’s wealth. It doesn’t diminish our wealth, it’s an investment in infrastructure, the same as investing in telecommunications and road construction. It’s an investment we have to make if we’re going to insure the economic vitality of our generation and the next generation. I want to say this, there is no stronger advocate for free market capitalism than myself.

        I believe that the free market is the most efficient and democratic
        way to distribute the goods of the land and that the best thing that could
        happen to the environment is if we had true free market capitalism in this
        country because the free market promotes efficiency and efficiency means the elimination of waste and pollution of course is waste. The free market also would encourage us to properly value our natural resources and it’s the under valuation of those resources that causes us to use them
        wastefully. But in a true free market economy you can’t make yourself rich without making your neighbors rich and without enriching your community.

        But what polluters do is they make themselves rich by making everybody else poor. They raise standards of living for themselves by lowering quality of life for everybody else and they do that by evading the
        discipline of the free market.

        You show me a polluter; I’ll show you a subsidiary. I’ll show you a
        fat cat using political clout to escape the discipline of the free market.
        And force the public to pay his production costs. That’s what all pollution
        is, it’s always a subsidy, it’s always a guy trying to cheat the free
        market.

        Corporations are externalizing machines. They’re constantly figuring
        out ways to get somebody else to pay their costs of production, that’s
        their nature. One of the best ways to do that and the most common way for a polluter is through pollution. When those coal burning power plants put mercury into the atmosphere that comes down from the Ohio Valley and it comes down on my state New York, I buy a fishing license for $30 every year but I can’t go fishing and eat the fish anymore because they stole the fish from me.

        They liquidated a pubic asset, my asset. The rule is the commons are
        owned by all of us. They’re not owned by the governor or the legislator or
        the coal companies and the utility. Everybody has a right to use them.

        Nobody has a right to use them. Nobody has a right to use them in a
        way that will diminish or injure their use and enjoyment by others. But
        they’ve stolen that entire resource from the people of New York State.

        When they put the acid rain in the air, it destroys our forest and it
        destroys the lakes that we use for recreation or outfitting or tourism or
        wealth generation. When they put the mercy - the mercury poisons our
        children’s brains and that imposes a clause on us. The ozone in particular
        has caused a million asthma attacks a year, kills 18,000 people, hundreds
        of thousands lost work day.

        All of those impacts, impose costs on the rest of us. that should in a
        true free market economy be reflected in the price of that company’s
        product when it makes it to the market place.

        What those companies and all polluters do is they use political clout
        to escape the discipline in the free market and force the public to pay
        their costs. All of the federal environmental laws, everyone of the 28
        major environmental laws, all of them were designed to restore free market capitalism in America by forcing actors in the market place to play the true cost of bringing their product to market. What we do with the
        Riverkeepers - we have 147 licensed Riverkeepers now and each one has a patrol boat, each one is a full time paid river keeper and each one agrees to sue polluters.

        What we do and we don’t even consider ourselves environmentalists anymore. We’re free marketers.

        We go out into the market place, we catch the cheaters, the polluters,
        and we say to them, "We’re going to force you to internalize your costs the same way that you internalize your profits because as long as somebody is cheating the free market, none of us get the advantages of the efficiency and the democracy and the prosperity that the free market otherwise promises our country.

        What we have to understand as a nation is that there is a huge
        difference between free market capitalism which democratizes a country,
        which makes us more prosperous and efficient and the kind of corporate
        cloning capitalism which has been embraced by this White House which is as antithetical to democracy, to prosperity and efficiency in America as it is in Nigeria [applause].

        There is nothing wrong with corporations. Corporations are a good
        thing. They encourage us to take risks, they maximize wealth, they create
        jobs. I own a corporation.

        They’re a great thing but they should not be running our government.

        The reason for that is they don’t have the same aspirations for
        America that you and I do.

        A corporation does not want democracy. It does not want free markets,
        it wants profits and the best way for them to get profits is to use our
        campaign finance system which is just a system of legalized bribery to get
        their stakes, their hooks into a public official and then use that public
        official to dismantle the market place to give them a competitive advantage and then to privatize the common, to steal the commonwealth, to liquidate public assets for cash, to plunder, to steal from the rest of us. That’s why. From the beginning of our national history our most visionary
        political leaders.

        And that doesn’t mean corporations are a bad thing. It just means
        they’re amoral and we have to recognize that and not let them into the
        political process.

        Let them do their thing but they should not be participating in our
        political process because a corporation cannot do something genuinely
        philanthropic.

        Its against the law in this country because their shareholders can sue
        them for wasting corporate resources. They cannot legally do anything that will not increase their profit margins and that’s the way the law works and we have to recognize that and understand that they are toxic for the
        political process and they have to be fenced off and kept out of the
        political process.

        This is why throughout our history our most visionary political
        leaders republican and democrat have been warning the American public
        against the domination by corporate power.

        Teddy Roosevelt and again, this White House has done a great job of
        persuading a gullible press and the American public that the big threat to
        American democracy is big government. Well, yeah, big government is a
        threat ultimately but it is dwarfed by the threat of excessive corporate
        power and the corrosive impact that has on our democracy. And you know, as I said, you look at all the great political leaders in this country and the central theme is that we have to be cautious about, we have to avoid the domination of our government by corporate power.

        Teddy Roosevelt, a Republican, said that America would never be
        destroyed by a foreign power but he warned that our political institutions,
        our democratic institutions would be subverted by malefactors of great
        wealth who would erode them from within. Dwight Eisenhower, another
        republican in his most famous speech ever warned America against the
        domination by the military industrial complex.

        Abraham Lincoln, the greatest Republican in our history, said during
        the height of the Civil War "I have the South in front of me and I have the bankers behind me. And for my country I fear the bankers more."

        Franklin Roosevelt said during World War II that the domination of
        government by corporate power is "the essence of Fascism" and Benito
        Mussolini who had an insider’s view of that process said the same thing.
        Essentially he said that - he complained that Fascism should not be called
        Fascism. It should be called corporatism because it was the merger of state of corporate power.

        And we what we have to understand as Americans is that the domination of business by government is called Communism.

        The domination of government by business is called Fascism.

        And what our job is is to walk that narrow trail in between which is
        free market capitalism and democracy. And keep big government at bay with our right hand and corporate power at bay with our left.

        In order to do that we need an informed public and an activist public.

        And we need a vigorous and an independent press that is willing to
        speak truth to power. And we no longer have that in the United States of
        America. And that’s something that we all, puts us all, all the values we
        care about in jeopardy because you cannot have a clean environment if you do not have a functioning democracy. They are intertwined, they go
        together.

        There is a direct correlation around the planet between the level of
        tyranny and the level of environmental destruction. I could talk about that
        all day but you cannot - the only way you can protect the environment is
        through a true, locally based democracy.

        You can protect it for a short term under a tyranny where there is
        some kind of beneficent dictator but over the long term the only way we can protect the environment is by ensuring our democracy. That has got to be the number one issue for all of us; to try to restore American democracy because without that we lose all of the other things that we value.

        CONTINUED...
        • Re: We Must Take America Back

          Wed, September 28, 2005 - 12:59 PM
          ...I’ll say one last thing which is the issue I started off with which is
          that we’re not protecting the environment. What Justice Douglas understood.

          We’re not protecting the environment for the sake of the fishes and
          the birds.

          We’re protecting it for our own sake because we recognize that nature
          enriches us. It enriches us economically, yes, the base of our economy. And
          we ignore that at our peril.

          The economy is a wholly owned subsidiary of the environment but it
          also enriches us esthetically and recreationally and culturally and
          historically and spiritually. Human beings have other appetites besides
          money and if we don’t feed them we’re not going to grow up. We’re not going
          to become the kind of beings our creator intended us to become.

          When we destroy nature we diminish ourselves. We impoverish our
          children.

          We’re not protecting those ancient forests in the Pacific Northwest as
          Rush Limbaugh loves to say, for the sake of a spotted owl. We’re preserving
          those forests because we believe that the trees have more value to humanity
          standing then they would have if we cut them down. I’m not fighting for the
          Hudson River for the sake of the shad or the sturgeon or the striped bass,
          but because I believe my life will be richer and my children and my
          community will be richer if we live in a world where there are shad and
          sturgeon and striped bass in the Hudson.

          And where my children can see the traditional gear, commercial
          fishermen on the Hudson that I have spent 22 years fighting for their
          livelihoods, their rights, their culture, and their values. I want my kids
          to be able to see them out in their tiny boats using the same fishing
          methods that they learned, their great grandparents learned from the
          Algonquin Indians who taught them to the original settlers of New
          Amsterdam. I want them to be able to see them with their ash poles and gill
          nets and be able to touch them when they come to shore to wait out the
          tides, to repair their nets. And in doing that connect themselves to 350
          years of the New York State history.

          And understand that they’re part of something larger than themselves;
          they’re part of a continuum. They’re part of a community.

          I don’t want my children to grow up in a world where there are no
          commercial fishermen on the Hudson, where it’s all Gordon Seafood and
          Unilever and 400 ton factory trawlers 100 miles offshore strip mining the
          ocean with no interface with humanity.

          And where there are no family farmers left in America. Where it’s all
          Smithfield and Cargill and Premium Standard farms raising animals in
          factories and treating their stock and their neighbors and their workers
          with unspeakable cruelty.

          And where we’ve lost touch with the seasons and the tides and the
          things that connect us to the 10,000 generations of human beings that were
          here before there were laptops.

          And that connect us ultimately to God.

          I don’t believe that nature is God or that we ought to be worshiping
          it as God, but I do believe that it’s the way that God communicates to us
          more forcefully.

          God talks to human beings through many vectors. Through each other,
          through organized religions, through wise people and through the great
          books of those religions; through art and literature and music and poetry.

          But nowhere with such force and clarity and detail and texture and
          grace and joy as through creation. We don’t know Michelangelo by reading
          his biography; we know him by looking at the ceiling of the Sistine Chapel.

          And we know our creator best by immersing ourselves in creation. And
          particularly wilderness which is the undiluted work of the creator.

          And you know [applause] if you look at every one of the great
          religious traditions throughout the history of mankind the central epiphany
          always occurs in the wilderness. Buddha had to go to the wilderness to
          experience self realization and nirvana. Mohammad had to go to the
          wilderness in Mt. Harrod 629, climb to the summit, rest one angel in the
          middle of the night to have the Koran squeeze from his body.

          Moses had to go to the wilderness of Mt. Sinai for 40 days alone to
          get the Commandments. The Jews had to spend 40 years wandering the
          wilderness to purge themselves of 400 years of slavery in Egypt.

          Christ had to go into the wilderness for 40 days to discover his
          divinity for the first time. His mentor was John the Baptist, a man who
          lived in the Jordan valley dressed in the skins of wild beasts and ate
          locust and the honey of wild bees and all of Christ’s parables are taken
          from nature. I am the vine; you are the branches. The mustard seed, the
          little swallows, the scattering of seeds on the [Fellowgram], the lilies of
          the field. He called himself a fisherman, a farmer, a vineyard keeper, a
          shepherd.

          The reason he did that was that’s how he stayed in touch with the
          people. It’s the same reason all the Talmudic prophets, the Koranic
          prophets, the Old Testament prophets, the New Testament prophets. Even the
          pagan prophets like Aesop they did the same thing; they used parables and
          allegories and fables drawn from nature to teach us the wisdom of God.

          And all of the Old Testament prophets, all the Talmudic prophets, all
          the New Testament prophets came out of the wilderness. Every one of them
          and they were all shepherds. That daily connection to nature gave them a
          special access to the wisdom of the all mighty. They used these parables
          and the reason Christ did that was that’s how he stayed in touch with the
          people. He was saying things that were revolutionary like all the prophets.

          He was contradicting everything that the common people had heard from
          the literal sophisticated people of their day and they would have dismissed
          him as a quack but they were able to confirm the wisdom of his parables
          through their own observations of the fishes and the birds.

          And they were able to say, he’s not telling us something new; he’s
          simply illuminating something very, very old. Messages that were written
          into creation at the beginning of time by the creator. We haven’t been able
          to discern or decipher them into the prophets came along and immersed
          themselves in wilderness and learned its language and then come back into
          the cities to tell us about the wisdom of God.

          You know, all of our values in this country are the same thing. This
          is where our values come from, from wilderness and from nature and from the
          beginning of our national history. People from Sierra Club have to
          understand this and articulate it.

          Our greatest spiritual leaders, moral leaders and philosophers were
          telling the American people "You don’t have to be ashamed because you don’t
          have the 1,500 years of culture that they have in Europe because you have
          this relationship with the land and particularly the wilderness. That’s
          going to be the source of your values and virtues and character.

          If you look at every valid piece of classic American literature the
          central unifying theme is that nature is the critical defining element of
          American culture, whether it’s Emerson, Thoreau, Melville and Hawthorne,
          Mark Twain, Jack London, F. Scott Fitzgerald, Hemmingway. All of them.

          Let me just finish this thought. The first great writer we produced in
          this country, an international best seller, was [James Fenimore Cooper]. He
          wrote the The Leather Stocking Tales, The Last of the Mohicans, The
          Pathfinder, The Deerslayer, about this character Natie Bumpo who was a
          creature of the American wilderness. He had all the virtues that the
          European romantics associated with the American woodland; he was a crap
          shot, he was self reliant, he had fortitude and integrity and he was a
          gentleman and honest.

          The reason they made him a bestseller in Europe was not because it was
          great writing; it wasn’t. It was atrocious, but because they believed that
          there really was a new being being created out of the American forest. We
          made him a best seller in our country because we believe that about
          ourselves. A generation after that you had Emerson and Thoreau come along
          who have kicked off the traces of the European heritage and they embrace
          nature as a spiritual parable of all Americans.

          They say if you’re an American and you want to hear the voice of God
          you have to go into the forest and listen to the songs of the birds and the
          rustle of the leaves and if you want to see the American soul you have to
          look at the mirror of Walden Pond. Our poets Whitman, Frost, Emily
          Dickenson, Robert Service.

          Our artists, we have two schools, defining schools of art in this
          country: the western school - Remington and Russell - and the Hudson River
          School - Bierstadt, Thomas Cole, Frederic Church, Samuel F. B. Morris, etc.
          And all of them painted these stark, indomitable portraits. Storm King
          Mountain, El Capitan, the Sierra Nevada, Yosemite, the Grand Canyon. Any
          evidence of humanity is in ruins.

          And there are other national schools of art that painted nature. The
          British have their still lives and the French and Italians and their garden
          scenes, etc. But that’s nature tamed.

          The American artist chose to paint nature in its wildest state because
          they saw that as the way to capture the American soul.

          As I said this is where our values come from.

          These people on Capitol Hill they look out at our green landscapes and
          they see nothing but cash for their corporate contributors, quick cash. I
          aw a couple of days ago Donald Rumsfeld on TV and I saw him and I saw how
          articulate and eloquent he was. I know Donald Rumsfeld, he lives next to my
          house in Washington.

          When I got out of prison in Puerto Rico a couple of years ago he
          actually was very kind to me. I met him at lunch and dinner a couple of
          times at my mom’s house. He’s a very charming guy, an affable. If you’re
          not in Abu Gharib… but I saw him on TV in his suit and he looked so good
          and he’s so eloquent and charming and stuff and I say, here’s a man who’s
          had the best of our country. He’s gone to our churches, had the best
          schools, the education, the contacts, the money everything. And then I see
          these letters that he wrote back and forth with Alberto Gonzales, he’s
          emailed debating how much it was permissible for Americans to torture
          people. And I say to myself how did these people miss the whole point of
          America? How do they not know that torture is not an American family value?

          And I say that this is an administration that represents itself as the
          White House of values but every value that they claim to represent is just
          a hollow façade, that marks the one value that they really consider worth
          fighting for which is corporate profit taking.

          They say that they like free markets but they despise free market
          capitalism. What they like if you look at their feet rather than their
          clever, clever mouths what they really like is corporate welfare and
          capitalism for the poor but socialism for the rich.

          They say that they like private property but they don’t like private
          property except when it’s the right of a polluter to use his private
          property to destroy his neighbors property and to destroy the public
          property.

          And they say that they like law and order but they are the first ones
          to let the corporate law breakers off the hook. And they say that they like
          local control and states rights but they only like those things when it
          means sweeping away the barriers to corporate profit taking at the local
          level. And you and the Sierra Club know and I can give you hundreds of
          examples. They’re suing my cousin Arnold Schwarzenegger. Detroit is suing
          him for this - I know that’s not going to get a lot for applause in this
          room.

          But you know what do you sign into law? The best automobile emissions
          bill that was passed by the Democratic legislature and now Detroit is
          saying they’re going to sue them just because they recognize that the
          emissions here were not protecting the health of the people of their state.
          So they want ones that will. Now Detroit is saying it’s going to sue them
          and the Federal government is now making noises that it’s going to come
          into that suit on the side of Detroit. That’s not local control.

          We know and when I’m fighting these hog farms down in North Carolina
          and the first people they hear from when these local counties try to pass
          the zoning ordinance to zone out the big hog shows. The first person they
          heard from is Ted Olson up in the federal government saying that’s an
          interference with federal commerce and we’re going to come down on you like
          a hammer.

          The same thing in West Virginia, when the localities try to zone out
          Massey Coal and Peabody from cutting down their mountain the federal
          government comes down and crushes them. So they don’t like local control.

          And you know all of these things they claim to love.

          They claim to love Christianity but they have violated every one of
          the manifold mandates of the Christian faith. [applause] that we care for
          the environment.

          We treat the earth respectfully and we treat our future generations
          with respect and all of these things, the values go along with the land we
          all know that.

          I’ll close with a proverb from the Lakota people that all of you have
          heard, that’s been expropriated by the environmental movement to a large
          extent where they said we didn’t inherit this planet from our ancestors; we
          borrowed it from our children.

          I would add to that if we don’t return to our children something that
          is roughly the equivalent of what they receive, not just in the quality of
          the environment but in the integrity of the values that have been handed
          down through generations of Americans.

          You know, visionary Republican and Democratic leadership only to hit
          these destructive people who are now running our country. The worst
          administration that we’ve had in American history and the greatest threat
          now to our country and our democracy. And all the values that cherish about
          America. And you know the way we’re viewed and the rest of the world we
          need to return those things.

          I look at this White House and I ask myself - and this may be unfair -
          but I ask myself a lot of times, how did they get so many draft dodgers in
          one place? You know, the president, Dick Cheney five deferments; John
          Ashcroft, six deferments. Paul Wolfowitz, Richard Perle, Tom DeLay, all of
          their buddies. Dennis Hassert, Rush Limbaugh, well, you know, there are a
          lot of people who dodged the draft during the Vietnam War and I know a lot
          of them.

          Most of them did it because they had moral qualms about that war.

          But not these people.

          These people love the war; they just wanted somebody else to fight it.
          And it occurs to me that the reason for that is that these are people who
          don’t understand the values that makes America worth fighting for. But
          America is worth fighting for and it’s worth dying for.

          Those of us who know that it’s worth fighting for have to take it back
          now from those who don’t.

          Thank you very much.

          ===end ===
          • Re: We Must Take America Back

            Wed, September 28, 2005 - 2:37 PM
            *how* do we take it back?

            look--I've read Zinn and a million other authors. I'm well aware of the problems. I agree that the current system has us on a suicide course with welp, damn near everything.

            but look--I've been going over UN reports and backtracking the economic policies that took us to this point and all I'm seeing are unenforcable proposals, guidelines, and alternate theories. We've very well mapped out the problem but give me something tangible.

            give me something real to chew on.

            until you do, my focus is going to be on the places that lock their political prisoners in cages meant for dogs (or just shoot them outright), famines and extreme poverty, child slavery, sex slavery, and basic humanitarian rights.

            Yeah I know. But I don't want to spread myself too thin.
            • Re: We Must Take America Back

              Thu, September 29, 2005 - 1:22 PM
              “…the current system has us on a suicide course…"

              Well said! So let’s avert this disaster, shall we?

              You further requested, “give me something real to chew on."

              Understand that everyone born here on planet earth has received or shall receive prior to death a wounding. It is an unavoidable event in everyone’s lives however very purposeful to ones soul advancement or progression, if you will. The wound could be any physical-emotional abuse and/or victimization, e.g. abandonment, neglect, incest, loss, etc.

              All healing from any physical-emotional wounding occurs from the inside out. The precept, “as above so below” is superseded by “as within as without”.

              True healing is a collective effort that embodies the adage, “all for one and one for all”, however each individual must heal oneself first and foremost, prior to helping or serving another. Only to the extent an individual is healed, can that being aid and abet another.

              Ideals:

              Consider eliminating all addictions to drugs, alcohol, nicotine, caffeine, sugar, table salt and white flour for starters. Since healing oneself is very important, a fundamentally sound diet properly includes plenty of healthy organic produce and vitalized drinking water.

              Second, consider always being in tiptop physical shape. Because ones body temple houses ones mind, heart and soul, it is imperative to keep healthy and fit. This is a lifestyle, a conscious choice to always be in excellent condition.

              Third, realize that psychology is the primary driving force that operates the show. It bridges thought to physical reality. It is the “esoteric awareness” behind ones mind and heart, not science, religion, philosophy, economics, art etc. That's because ego too often rules Spirit by “edging goodness out”. Since all distortions in thinking and feeling are primarily due to poor health, one cannot be in touch with ones soul as long as ones ego is running the show.

              Obviously there is much more, so keep on studying yourself. All answers truly lie within. Seeking and finding is not an external treasure hunt. All you need is right inside of you. Begin now. Now is all that matters.

              As collective consciousness attains a critical mass, everybody will be ultimately “saved” since that is the journey we are playing out my fellow comrade.

              "When" most inquisitive beings ask. The "time factor" is mysteriously approaching us now. Hmm, what a concept, the power of now.

              Aleksonder
              • Re: We Must Take America Back

                Fri, September 30, 2005 - 12:53 AM
                well said. =)

                you're hitting on things I've been-
                heh.

                um...

                kind of working on.

                hmm... getting there.

                ok ok ok but-

                if I get all healthy and boddhisatwa guru lama lama
                chewing on my home-grown tantric-fertilized soy beans
                outputting ten-thousand kilowatts of good-vibrations
                and spreading the smiles with my dentine fresh teeth
                (six-pack rippling under my tear-away t-shirt with an Om)

                can I still hate Mr. Cheney?
                I really really
                want to throw poo at him from my cage
                • Re: We Must Take America Back

                  Fri, September 30, 2005 - 11:33 AM
                  Sure! Whatever your egoic mind conceives the following egoic heart believes and the obedient body achieves, however realize though that divinity of a "higher" dimensional spiritual realm deceives our "lower" 3-D earthly souls.

                  Remember by judging not, nor passively observing does one find a middle path of discernment. Be the role model. Others who are convinced shall replicate the form and function.

                  Worry not nor be concerned of others folly. Paying attention to that which is unworthy is a poor investment of ones time and energy.
                  • This is the maximum depth. Additional responses will not be threaded.

                    Re: We Must Take America Back

                    Fri, September 30, 2005 - 11:39 AM
                    Seek your own solutions. Find your own answers. Solve your own problems. Settle your own disputes.

                    Surrender, release, and let go of the ordinary world. You are in your own movie. Own the role you play and make it the best it can be.
                    • Re: We Must Take America Back

                      Fri, September 30, 2005 - 12:28 PM
                      um

                      listen.

                      like seriously--check yourself bro. you're chucking around eastern and western wisdom like confetti and while entertaining as all hell,

                      I'm busy. You're not doing me any favors throwing around stuff I already know.

                      Unless you're prepared to talk specifics, plans, visions--your own foibles and weaknesses, your own challenges--what you want to do in the world to make a difference,

                      seriously spare me. I'm tired of talking to people who think that they can smear on lyrical advice like peanut butter and think it's going to actually make a difference. I've got plenty of that too but I keep it in reserve for personal conversations where I'm addressing specific problems. You started this thread with "We Must Take America Back"

                      welp
                      let's talk about it. Great awakening aside, I'm interested in spending a few more calories on this issue than what I synthesized between what I read on erowid & alan watts.

                      Yes all is Maya. Yes we're all in a movie. It's as much as a game as you decide to make it. I understand all of this.

                      I made my decision. If this is nothing more than some form of rhetorical, pseudospiritual entertainment where you see yourself as the great master chucking around koans--

                      sigh.

                      I joined this tribe called *agents of change* and get heckled by a self-proclaimed yoda.
                      gimme a break. sorry no offense. but I didn't join this tribe to hear the kind of emancipatory celestine prophesy rhetoric that's out there on 99% of the other tribes.
                      • Re: We Must Take America Back

                        Sat, October 1, 2005 - 5:00 PM
                        The crux of your post: "I'm tired of talking to people who think that they can smear on lyrical advice like peanut butter and think it's going to actually make a difference."

                        The gist of it all: 'nuff written. 'nuff said. 'nuff done.
                        • Unsu...
                           

                          Re: WHY would you want it back?

                          Tue, October 4, 2005 - 4:39 PM
                          The late, great, United State isn't worth taking back. Every great power rules for 200 years; we've overstayed our welcome and China is easing onto the throne. Why not just let the whole thing continue to crumble. Then like a Phoenix, be reborn from the ashes. Hell, if they can't put New Orleans back together, what makes you think they could tackle the country? The U.S. needs an enema!
                          • so perhaps something more like a colonic and a dietary redirect are direly needed.
                            • dammit @ I need to backtrack my being bitchy. going back to one of the earlier posts-
                              -----------------------------------
                              these letters that he wrote back and forth with Alberto Gonzales, he’s
                              emailed debating how much it was permissible for Americans to torture
                              people. And I say to myself how did these people miss the whole point of
                              America? How do they not know that torture is not an American family value?
                              -----------------------------------
                              my tentative answer is-

                              insulation
                              • Unsu...
                                 
                                As an Agent of Change, the first rule is that maybe going in through the front door is not the solution. Which is why I suggest letting America continue on it's path of self-destruction. You're right, San. Things are totally out of whack with what the leaders believe is right and just. Torture to them is the "end justifying the means" as it always has been with those who believe they are superior and know what's best. I don't mind sinking down to the level of the criminal to counter his offensive,,, that's what police and military do on a daily basis anyway. But the rest of us don't need to be involved in it, let alone have someone speak for us when they are lying. The old adage, "To protect and serve" has no value anymore; they don't care if they offend us, abuse us, insult our intelligence,,,, just as long as they can stay in power.
                                • I really want to agree with you about just letting things take their course. In many ways I have a hard time seeing how anything I or you could do as individuals or as a whole could change this tragectory--

                                  but I already signed on the dotted line--to be a strict Gandhi'ite

                                  "It is not what we accomplish, it is how we behave."

                                  I was thinking about the insulating thing. There's footage of Rumsfeld at the pentagon carrying stretchers after the attack on 9/11.

                                  I wonder how much of it is simply rage.
                                  • Unsu...
                                     

                                    Change Agents

                                    Thu, October 6, 2005 - 6:12 AM
                                    <cite>"It is not what we accomplish, it is how we behave." </cite>

                                    I'm going with that as well, and I don't see a disconnect in being an agent of change. Being ambitious in this nightmare world is fine; the problem comes when we become fanatics. It's why I stopped subscribing to organized religions,,, fanatics all. Each is willing to die and justify death over the metaphor they believe is "The Saviour." Let's kill all the INFIDELS in the name of the metaphor!

                                    Accomplishments are in the past; how we behave is the future. Civil disobedience is usually passive, but effective. Not voting in elections is a clear signal to the powers that no one running for office has a good solution; the system has ceased to be useful. In business, it has a technical term: MBSA (Management by standing around); and it's the simple application of managment not getting in the way of the people doing their jobs.

                                    Rumsfeld in his role as SOD is totally isolated from personal reaction. It's his job; his ambition drives him in a non-human direction to protect the metaphor called "America." In that role he's prepared to slaughter young people for the sake of the metaphor. But, Rumsfeld as common man has the capacity of being human when someone he actually knows is wounded or dies. How many degrees of separation does it take for him,,, or us, to stop being human and return to our island isolation?
                                    • Re: Change Agents

                                      Thu, October 6, 2005 - 6:40 AM
                                      can i share at this point a quote from Buckminster Fuller? When i came across this quote I immediately promoted it to the top of the list of quotes that have inspired or are associated with the new organisation that is taking up my time at the moment, Project X (see link to tribe below):

                                      "You never change things by fighting the existing reality. To change something, build a new model that makes the existing model obsolete." Buckminster Fuller

                                      we are only a part of "their" society in as much as we choose to be.

                                      Meanwhile there is nothing stopping us from progressing on our own terms, but our own apathy ..

                                      Rich
                                      Xx

                                      please visit: tribes.tribe.net/projectx
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                                        Re: Change Agents

                                        Thu, October 6, 2005 - 10:52 AM
                                        <cite>"You never change things by fighting the existing reality. To change something, build a new model that makes the existing model obsolete." Buckminster Fuller </cite>

                                        Pure Logic and genius! It's what I've been saying all along! The powers that be exist because of apathy. The status quo is all about people that want to fit in without opposing anything. Sheep are meant to be herded; eaten if the need arises. Most people's brains are in neutral, and they are coasting through life.

                                        All it really takes is a Quiet Revolution; one where you question anyone who merely believes in "Go with the Flow." If they find you irrational, you know you're on the right track. We just haven't gotten to the point where a messiah has appeared. I doubt if I'll see him/her in my lifetime; but I believe they are coming. Perhaps we need to be enslaved; brought low to finally understand what we squandered. Embrace your enemy,,, and then conquer him from within.
                                        • Re: Change Agents

                                          Thu, October 6, 2005 - 11:33 AM
                                          I like.

                                          but I'm a bitch =)

                                          show me the model.

                                          ok ok I concede that it's not like we can immediately pull out some world-changing meme that just crashes the system in one beautiful dry-hump but-
                                          there are some cool ones out there--Shepard Fairey's "Obey" work
                                          hrmm brain not quite working yet

                                          what else is out there. who's writing something or positing ideas that are potentially world-changing? I'd tentatively argue currently-
                                          chris hedges
                                          malcolm gladwell
                                          paul beatty
                                          saul williams
                                          sonja sohn
                                          beau sia
                                          jared diamond
                                          emma larkin
                                          shit the list of people out there who are generating brilliant work is huge huge huge. and I'm grateful as hell for it--but i'm inclined to agree with you in the sense that we're too comfortable, too entrenched--

                                          the system has to completely break before people really notice that something is wrong. which is sad...
                                          • Re: Change Agents

                                            Thu, October 6, 2005 - 11:37 AM
                                            mark morford
                                            u2 (I don't care if you don't like them. They're arguably shedding light to a pop-culture crowd on some serious crap. 'walk on' about aung san suu kyi/burma)

                                            I don't want to turn this thread into a list-thread, sorry. brain no work so good sometimes. trying to find a thread here. or a meme. or a spicy taco.